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	<title>Comments on: Orson Scott Card Rhinoceros Times Article</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one applaud Mr. Card for standing up and taking a swing at the media. After doing my research on him I do have to say he IS a Democrat, even though he may not support the agenda 100 percent. It was refreshing to hear someone like that give such an unbiased report on the state of things.
For many years now I have watched as Democrats constantly shift blame and are almost always the first to come out throwing mud or smearing Republicans while the majority of the media take it for gospel and never check. However, when a Republican goes on the attack he/she is looked on as a rabid animal who needs to be caged. Long have I noticed flagrant one-sided reporting toward the Democrats. Card has it absolutely correct, had McCain or any other Republican been involved in all this it would have been front page news and cries of scandel would be heard from sea to shining sea.
Then there are the other issues with Obama, aside from the fact he received the second largest sum of campaign contributions from Fanny Mae. How about his association with Bill Ayers? The fact he did not know he still espoused bombing government offices and wishes he had done more? 
Or his stint as a lawyer for ACORN who is not under investigation for voter registration fraud in several states? 
Or the fact that Biden called him inexperianced and beat him up for his ever changing and often conflicting stances on several issues such as the war, but now Biden stands shoulder to shoulder with him and says he is qualified to be President. 
I know people want change because they dont like the way things are now, but what price does that change come with. What will actually change. How often does a Presidential candidate actually do in office what he pledged to do on the campaign trail? I know many of you believe Bush to be the source of all the worlds problems but you are in for a rude awakening when Obama does not magically turn things around. Believe it or not the President does not have total power over the day-to-day runnings of the country. Congress, Judges and the like often are the ones setting policy and spining the wheels. 

Oh and for the record, yes there was a direct link to Iraq and terrorists. In 1998, Clinton ordered the bombing of a factory in Sudan which supposedly made baby formula. The official reports (according to the Clinton Administration)say is was a chemical weapons factory run by Al Qaeda and managed by Saddam&#039;s own chief chemical weapons man.
And if Iraq did not have the chemical weapons, why did Clinton say he had them in 1998, 1999 and again in 2003. Why did Clinton and the UN authorize air strikes to force Saddam to allow the UN inspectors back in. 
But I guess we just believe Saddam when he states they dumped the chemicals in the desert but forgot where. Or that the paperwork was destroyed.
What about the 3 months leading up to the invasion of Iraq in which there was a steady stream of trucks going from Iraq to Syria, all caught by satalite imagery? Ever wonder what was in the trucks? Saddam was no fool, move all the valuable stuff to Syria, wait for the Americans to leave then bring it back in and start all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one applaud Mr. Card for standing up and taking a swing at the media. After doing my research on him I do have to say he IS a Democrat, even though he may not support the agenda 100 percent. It was refreshing to hear someone like that give such an unbiased report on the state of things.<br />
For many years now I have watched as Democrats constantly shift blame and are almost always the first to come out throwing mud or smearing Republicans while the majority of the media take it for gospel and never check. However, when a Republican goes on the attack he/she is looked on as a rabid animal who needs to be caged. Long have I noticed flagrant one-sided reporting toward the Democrats. Card has it absolutely correct, had McCain or any other Republican been involved in all this it would have been front page news and cries of scandel would be heard from sea to shining sea.<br />
Then there are the other issues with Obama, aside from the fact he received the second largest sum of campaign contributions from Fanny Mae. How about his association with Bill Ayers? The fact he did not know he still espoused bombing government offices and wishes he had done more?<br />
Or his stint as a lawyer for ACORN who is not under investigation for voter registration fraud in several states?<br />
Or the fact that Biden called him inexperianced and beat him up for his ever changing and often conflicting stances on several issues such as the war, but now Biden stands shoulder to shoulder with him and says he is qualified to be President.<br />
I know people want change because they dont like the way things are now, but what price does that change come with. What will actually change. How often does a Presidential candidate actually do in office what he pledged to do on the campaign trail? I know many of you believe Bush to be the source of all the worlds problems but you are in for a rude awakening when Obama does not magically turn things around. Believe it or not the President does not have total power over the day-to-day runnings of the country. Congress, Judges and the like often are the ones setting policy and spining the wheels. </p>
<p>Oh and for the record, yes there was a direct link to Iraq and terrorists. In 1998, Clinton ordered the bombing of a factory in Sudan which supposedly made baby formula. The official reports (according to the Clinton Administration)say is was a chemical weapons factory run by Al Qaeda and managed by Saddam&#8217;s own chief chemical weapons man.<br />
And if Iraq did not have the chemical weapons, why did Clinton say he had them in 1998, 1999 and again in 2003. Why did Clinton and the UN authorize air strikes to force Saddam to allow the UN inspectors back in.<br />
But I guess we just believe Saddam when he states they dumped the chemicals in the desert but forgot where. Or that the paperwork was destroyed.<br />
What about the 3 months leading up to the invasion of Iraq in which there was a steady stream of trucks going from Iraq to Syria, all caught by satalite imagery? Ever wonder what was in the trucks? Saddam was no fool, move all the valuable stuff to Syria, wait for the Americans to leave then bring it back in and start all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting responses.  Personally I have to praise Card for sharing his thoughts and could care less which party he supports.

It&#039;s impossible to write without invoking a bias - simply read a dozen &quot;Factual&quot; books about Thomas Jefferson and you&#039;ll find 100&#039;s of  &quot;Factual&quot; items printed which reflect the bias of the writer.

News without the color doesn&#039;t sell to the majority.

What is happening with the majority of the news organization  today extends well beyond opinion and threatens &quot;Our America&quot;.  

Test Card&#039;s words - 

1.)  Do a search in the archives of the Drudge Report or Fox News for articles that might have a negative implication for Obama.

2.)  Do a search in the LA TImes, NYTimes, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and see if you can find any mention of the article.  If you do find a mention of the article - check  the date.  Check to see if there are any follow ups or true fact checking and honest journalistic reporting.

3.)  Now reverse this and do the same for McCain.

4.)  Run the same test for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks, Chris Dodd.

Like Card says - if you possess self-honesty you&#039;ll share the results with everyone you know. 

 If you share these results I&#039;d be very interested in your opinion on why you think this is occuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting responses.  Personally I have to praise Card for sharing his thoughts and could care less which party he supports.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to write without invoking a bias &#8211; simply read a dozen &#8220;Factual&#8221; books about Thomas Jefferson and you&#8217;ll find 100&#8217;s of  &#8220;Factual&#8221; items printed which reflect the bias of the writer.</p>
<p>News without the color doesn&#8217;t sell to the majority.</p>
<p>What is happening with the majority of the news organization  today extends well beyond opinion and threatens &#8220;Our America&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Test Card&#8217;s words &#8211; </p>
<p>1.)  Do a search in the archives of the Drudge Report or Fox News for articles that might have a negative implication for Obama.</p>
<p>2.)  Do a search in the LA TImes, NYTimes, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and see if you can find any mention of the article.  If you do find a mention of the article &#8211; check  the date.  Check to see if there are any follow ups or true fact checking and honest journalistic reporting.</p>
<p>3.)  Now reverse this and do the same for McCain.</p>
<p>4.)  Run the same test for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks, Chris Dodd.</p>
<p>Like Card says &#8211; if you possess self-honesty you&#8217;ll share the results with everyone you know. </p>
<p> If you share these results I&#8217;d be very interested in your opinion on why you think this is occuring.</p>
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		<title>By: ALEXI</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALEXI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic Party is the wholly owned subsidiary of  the propaganda elite or simply &#039;the media&#039;.  It is the political action wing for their industry.  Candidates wishing to run as Democrats audition for the part by telling lies.  The biggest liar wins and becomes the candidate.  The biggest liar is most vulnerable, therefore easiest to control via propaganda.  The media is losing it&#039;s power because of new technology.  McLuhan, in War and Peace in the Global Village, said that every new technology necessitates a new war.  The election of Clinton was the end of the Democrat Party, the election of Obama will be the end of the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic Party is the wholly owned subsidiary of  the propaganda elite or simply &#8216;the media&#8217;.  It is the political action wing for their industry.  Candidates wishing to run as Democrats audition for the part by telling lies.  The biggest liar wins and becomes the candidate.  The biggest liar is most vulnerable, therefore easiest to control via propaganda.  The media is losing it&#8217;s power because of new technology.  McLuhan, in War and Peace in the Global Village, said that every new technology necessitates a new war.  The election of Clinton was the end of the Democrat Party, the election of Obama will be the end of the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
		<link>http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/10/22/orson-scott-card-rhinoceros-times-article/comment-page-1/#comment-27406</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The connection between Iraq and terrorism is valid, whether Democrats and liberals like it or not, and regardless of former statements by prominent Democrats to this effect one way or another (often they proclaimed this connection).  

The Bush Administration made no connection between Hussein and 911. Then on the other hand, there is no direct connection to AFGHANISTAN, the Taliban, or foreign contacts from other areas to 911.

The Democrats however say that Afghanistan is the &quot;proper war&quot; we should be involved in. The reality is that Hussein, like the Talibs, did harbor terrorists at various times.  That is not theory or conjecture. It is fact.  And yes, Virginia, Hussein really did want those WMDs back once he kicked the UN inspectors out in his cat and mouse game.  

As always, the inconvenient reality is more complicated than liberals like to parody when telling you &quot;Iraq&quot; didn&#039;t attack us on 911. True. But then neither did the Taliban for that matter.  

One gets the distinct impression in this kind of reasoning that therefore no one is responsible for 911 (unless you&#039;re Michael Moore, and think Bush did this) at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The connection between Iraq and terrorism is valid, whether Democrats and liberals like it or not, and regardless of former statements by prominent Democrats to this effect one way or another (often they proclaimed this connection).  </p>
<p>The Bush Administration made no connection between Hussein and 911. Then on the other hand, there is no direct connection to AFGHANISTAN, the Taliban, or foreign contacts from other areas to 911.</p>
<p>The Democrats however say that Afghanistan is the &#8220;proper war&#8221; we should be involved in. The reality is that Hussein, like the Talibs, did harbor terrorists at various times.  That is not theory or conjecture. It is fact.  And yes, Virginia, Hussein really did want those WMDs back once he kicked the UN inspectors out in his cat and mouse game.  </p>
<p>As always, the inconvenient reality is more complicated than liberals like to parody when telling you &#8220;Iraq&#8221; didn&#8217;t attack us on 911. True. But then neither did the Taliban for that matter.  </p>
<p>One gets the distinct impression in this kind of reasoning that therefore no one is responsible for 911 (unless you&#8217;re Michael Moore, and think Bush did this) at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Complements to Orson Scott Card for his morality applied to words. WONDERFUL &amp; REFRESHING!

While liking what you said it didn&#039;t rise to powerful level until I read your background. Orson is sooooooooooo qualified to speak about honest writing. 

What percentage of voters understand the importance of &quot;freedom of the press&quot;? ARE WE ABOUT TO LOSE IT? OR MAYBE IT&#039;S ALREADY LOST -- BY DEFAULT!

I wonder if I&#039;m living in Austria in 1934?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Complements to Orson Scott Card for his morality applied to words. WONDERFUL &amp; REFRESHING!</p>
<p>While liking what you said it didn&#8217;t rise to powerful level until I read your background. Orson is sooooooooooo qualified to speak about honest writing. </p>
<p>What percentage of voters understand the importance of &#8220;freedom of the press&#8221;? ARE WE ABOUT TO LOSE IT? OR MAYBE IT&#8217;S ALREADY LOST &#8212; BY DEFAULT!</p>
<p>I wonder if I&#8217;m living in Austria in 1934?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOR ORSON, 
That journalists all being corrupt might be questioned. I float the possibility that they are simply employees, writers, hired and charged with a job. Being hired with that caveat commits them to toeing the line. 

What if the particular media is purchased to do just that. It is plausible given the amount of money and resources Obama has garnered? 

It is a distinct possibility that much of the media has been purchased, and if that has any credibility, what else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOR ORSON,<br />
That journalists all being corrupt might be questioned. I float the possibility that they are simply employees, writers, hired and charged with a job. Being hired with that caveat commits them to toeing the line. </p>
<p>What if the particular media is purchased to do just that. It is plausible given the amount of money and resources Obama has garnered? </p>
<p>It is a distinct possibility that much of the media has been purchased, and if that has any credibility, what else?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I think Card is right about the media.  I think he does make some sense about the housing crisis.  But, he&#039;s also suffering from too narrow a view of truth.  At his age he should have a much more nuanced view of truth than to jump on the liberal-bias bandwagon.

The real bias of the media (in this election) has been simply to focus on Obama much much more than McCain.  They have analyzed everything he&#039;s done and delved into far more corners than they ever do about McCain, who has regularly told lies or extremely twisted versions of the truth throughout the campaign without so much as batting an eye.  When Palin came on board, she attracted a ton of media attention simply because she&#039;s a lot more interesting than McCain.  The witch hunt against her based on inexperience has been unfair in my opinion because it&#039;s just a backlash against people calling Obama inexperienced.  A more fair critique would cite her fundamentalism and disinterest in developing a nuanced view of the world.  I also find it unconscionable that she talks about certain people being unamerican when her husband was a secessionist.  That is literally the only thing that can indisputably be called &quot;unamerican&quot; in a political climate where that word is thrown around as a now-meaningless generic aspersion along the lines of &quot;fascist&quot;.

Bottom line, the media is guilty of terrible reporting for the most part, but it&#039;s not along party lines.  It&#039;s along pop culture lines and is driven by dollars pure and simple.  The American people are guilty too for not demanding more out of their news.  Card is right to criticize the media, but if he thinks that Bush did not  spin the hell out of the war on terrorism in order to create the mental link to Iraq then he is too naive to be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I think Card is right about the media.  I think he does make some sense about the housing crisis.  But, he&#8217;s also suffering from too narrow a view of truth.  At his age he should have a much more nuanced view of truth than to jump on the liberal-bias bandwagon.</p>
<p>The real bias of the media (in this election) has been simply to focus on Obama much much more than McCain.  They have analyzed everything he&#8217;s done and delved into far more corners than they ever do about McCain, who has regularly told lies or extremely twisted versions of the truth throughout the campaign without so much as batting an eye.  When Palin came on board, she attracted a ton of media attention simply because she&#8217;s a lot more interesting than McCain.  The witch hunt against her based on inexperience has been unfair in my opinion because it&#8217;s just a backlash against people calling Obama inexperienced.  A more fair critique would cite her fundamentalism and disinterest in developing a nuanced view of the world.  I also find it unconscionable that she talks about certain people being unamerican when her husband was a secessionist.  That is literally the only thing that can indisputably be called &#8220;unamerican&#8221; in a political climate where that word is thrown around as a now-meaningless generic aspersion along the lines of &#8220;fascist&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bottom line, the media is guilty of terrible reporting for the most part, but it&#8217;s not along party lines.  It&#8217;s along pop culture lines and is driven by dollars pure and simple.  The American people are guilty too for not demanding more out of their news.  Card is right to criticize the media, but if he thinks that Bush did not  spin the hell out of the war on terrorism in order to create the mental link to Iraq then he is too naive to be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnett, let&#039;s not pretend that only applies to one party.  Please.  The vast majority of journalists, democrat or republican, MSNBC or Fox News, have a bias toward sensationalism and a good story, and against reporting on the actual issues.

Card&#039;s major point is indeed an excellent one -- that the media narrative of the financial crisis has skewed towards blaming the republicans.  But he goes a little awry with his minor points; for example, he himself purposefully misrepresents Obama&#039;s role in the crisis.  Remember, Obama wasn&#039;t even a member of the U.S. Senate until 2005.

Some smaller points, like complaining about coverage of Palin&#039;s daughter vs. Edwards&#039; affair, are just silly.  Both issues were widely reported when they first happened, but sputtered out after only a few days.  If Card perceived a slant of coverage towards Palin&#039;s daughter, that maybe, just maybe, is because Palin&#039;s currently running for VP and Edwards is a footnote.

The above commenter Jack Smith was right: Card calls himself a &quot;democrat&quot; to make his letter sound more dramatic.  Again, his central point is sound, but it&#039;s surrounded by a little too much nonsensical bitching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnett, let&#8217;s not pretend that only applies to one party.  Please.  The vast majority of journalists, democrat or republican, MSNBC or Fox News, have a bias toward sensationalism and a good story, and against reporting on the actual issues.</p>
<p>Card&#8217;s major point is indeed an excellent one &#8212; that the media narrative of the financial crisis has skewed towards blaming the republicans.  But he goes a little awry with his minor points; for example, he himself purposefully misrepresents Obama&#8217;s role in the crisis.  Remember, Obama wasn&#8217;t even a member of the U.S. Senate until 2005.</p>
<p>Some smaller points, like complaining about coverage of Palin&#8217;s daughter vs. Edwards&#8217; affair, are just silly.  Both issues were widely reported when they first happened, but sputtered out after only a few days.  If Card perceived a slant of coverage towards Palin&#8217;s daughter, that maybe, just maybe, is because Palin&#8217;s currently running for VP and Edwards is a footnote.</p>
<p>The above commenter Jack Smith was right: Card calls himself a &#8220;democrat&#8221; to make his letter sound more dramatic.  Again, his central point is sound, but it&#8217;s surrounded by a little too much nonsensical bitching.</p>
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		<title>By: M Camp</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Card,
Praise God for one last honest journalist.  Over the years honest journalism has played such an important role in American freedom and lives, but no more.  The media has become a quasi-DNC organization and I no longer trust anything published in newspapers or reported on the three major networks.  I feel like America is becoming the old Soviet Union with regard to a controlled media.  Thank you for having the courage to step forward and expose the lack of intergity in your profession.  I pray that other journalist will read your letter and realized the obligation and responsibility they have to tell the truth at all times, regardless of the politicians or political parties that it helps or hurts. Americans want, need and deserve the truth. Thanks you for giving me hope that there may still be a few journalist who have not sold their intergity to the DNC and Barrack Obama. God bless and keep the truth coming!!
M. Camp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Card,<br />
Praise God for one last honest journalist.  Over the years honest journalism has played such an important role in American freedom and lives, but no more.  The media has become a quasi-DNC organization and I no longer trust anything published in newspapers or reported on the three major networks.  I feel like America is becoming the old Soviet Union with regard to a controlled media.  Thank you for having the courage to step forward and expose the lack of intergity in your profession.  I pray that other journalist will read your letter and realized the obligation and responsibility they have to tell the truth at all times, regardless of the politicians or political parties that it helps or hurts. Americans want, need and deserve the truth. Thanks you for giving me hope that there may still be a few journalist who have not sold their intergity to the DNC and Barrack Obama. God bless and keep the truth coming!!<br />
M. Camp</p>
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		<title>By: Barnett Carthey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnett Carthey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals are threatened by the truth be/c they &quot;CAN&#039;T HANDLE THE TRUTH&quot;.  When facts get in the way of a good story, liberals are just beside themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are threatened by the truth be/c they &#8220;CAN&#8217;T HANDLE THE TRUTH&#8221;.  When facts get in the way of a good story, liberals are just beside themselves.</p>
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