Crystal Cathedral Hour of Power: Robert H. Schuller Fires Son Robert A. Schuller
Robert H. Schuller, 82, the founder of the Crystal Cathedral and patriarch of the Sunday morning Hour of Power broadcast, has removed his only son Robert A. Schuller, 54 from his preaching duties on the weekly televised program.
In a prepared statement that was read by church president Jim Coleman to the 450 member congregation, it appears father and son have had a serious falling out.
“Robert H. Schuler and Robert A. Schuler have different ideas as to the direction and the vision for this ministry. For this lack of shared vision and the jeopardy in which this is placing this entire ministry, it has become necessary for them to part ways.”
The Hour of Power will move away from just one or two voices and will now “serve as a platform for the greatest preachers in the world.”
The elder Schuller turned over the Hour of Power and the Crystal Cathedral church ministry to his son Robert A. Schuller in January 2006. The father and son have always had divergent preaching styles. The senior Schuller is said to be heavier on psychological reference and lighter on scriptural reference. The younger Schuller emphasizes scripture as a ‘primary teaching’ that often veers from Christian to secular.
He founded his own church in Orange County before joining his father at the Crystal Cathedral seven years ago. It is yet to be determined if Robert A. Schuller will continue in his role as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral church ministry in Garden Grove, California.
John Charles, a church spokesman, was asked what had happened to create the rift between father and son. He responded, “I tried to get that answered today and there’s really no answer. The two principals would have to explain that and they’re not.”
Another father and son photo below.
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and wouldn’t this be the same family of the girl from Laguna Beach?? I thought i recognized her dad…
Nothing just happens. Everything happens for a reason, but guess what, God always wins so no need to panic. If God said it that settles it for the Schullers and the church members. God bless all.
If the son, Robert A. Schuller, is staying closer to scripture than his father, he is right and understandably not able to continue with his father’s direction. We visited the Crystal Cathedral last year and were appauled at the statements on the walls of
their buildings. “Dream the Dream”…..what’s that ? If our Bible (scripture) and our heavenly Father is not the basis, I question Robert H. Schuller’s direction also….obviously his theatrics is an easier direction for him to continue as non-believers can accept it easier,
unfortuneately, that is not going to get them to heaven
I find this situation and end result between the two Schullers to be most troublesome. It is true that the elder Schuller founded this ministry, however, it is the son along with his father whom have carried it’s old and new visions to where we are today. The older Schuller needs to keep an open mind about where we’ve been and where we’re at now. The younger Schuller demonstrates that he understands what’s needed, and adds a lot of possitive something extra to this ministry. The older Schuller needs to pull out the scripture which supports forgiveness of one another so that the Father will forgive us. If these two do not reconcile their differences privately and publicly, they face the possibility of following in footsteps of previous ministries who’s team ministers once united, fell apart and subsequently the ministry as well. Please Pastor Robert H., reconsider and sit down and work this out together. Please Pastor Robert A., work with him as well for he knows not the ramifications of his actions. People, these two need our prayers and our love right now, so take a moment make yours directed toward them and their ministry. Amen
I got saved at Robert A.’s ministry, “Possibility Living”, on October 9th, 2002. My life has never been the same, (thank God!). Now, the life of my 9 year old daughter is completely different as well, since she was not quite 3 when my life changed forever. Every life that we touch will be touched in a different way because of that one moment of ministry. I can only pray that each of them remembers that bottom line. To whom else can we be a vessel for God to use to bring someone into the body of Christ? They have different paths, but that has to be God’s plan. Lord, please bless each of them on the path and the way that you want them to walk. The Munsey brothers, (Pastors Phil and Steve) also walk different paths, but how are the seeds multiplied because of that?
the son’s ministry has touched me so much and this seems like another going through stage for both.let the parted ways still link to heaven which is most vital.
I am disappointed. I like Robert A. as he is more spiritual than his Father. Robert H. is trying to be a Norman Vincent Peale. Just preach the Gospel and Jesus saves. That is what the world needs to hear. Not how to climb a mountain!!!
I will NEVER EVER watch Hour of Power again. The old man doesn’t preach Jesus. The young Robert A. Schuler does preach Jesus and he will do better away from his old man. Robert H. Schuler is a fake according to many folks who know him. The young Robert A. Schuler is going to be blessed beyond words , and I’m praying for his future. His dad is going to kill the ministry that I used to watch.
Even Jesus had 3 years to work things out. I am appalled that Dr. & Mrs. Schuller let this get so out of hand. To humiliate their son, worldwide. If they had tried a little longer perhaps they could have met in the middle and everyone would be better off for it.
It must be difficult to be a church with a different pastor every week. Guess the Crystal Cathedral will soon be sold so the kids can have Dad’s money.
I heard the church is millions of dollars in debt because of the son. What did he do? Rob the money from collections or donations? Anybody know the truth behind this move?
I’m sad and shocked about what’s going on at CC/HoP. The scripture is important and to hear that he is fully behind the bible and lives it, is great. Sould he more half-hearted telling us his messages and refering to the scriptures? No! I love him and his wife Donna and the way both are delivering messages. We met us personally several times since Nov. 2006, in CC and during his tour to Europe. My prayers and thoughts are with him and Donna.
Robert H. is blowing it. I live here in the south, and I can tell you that this decision is not going over well down here. Robert A. had brought new life to this ministry, and had touched many lives. I have been following this “Hour of Power” since the early 80s, and although Robert H. was a wonderful speaker at one time, in recent years he had gone off message. He speaks more about dreams and how to attain them than about the words of Jesus Christ, and how to abide by them. This ministry will not survive this split, and that is a shame. I never thought the “Hour of Power” would go out like this.
PS–Where do I have to go to see and hear Robert A. speak again? I know he is not through with us, and we will keep him in our prayers. I know he will survive this and be back even stronger, and we will be there for him. Remember Robert, “tough times never last, but tough people do”.
Regrettably, the founder’s syndrome kicks in and we see the difficulty that they have of letting go. The next generation has to take up the responsibility and the more difficult we make that transition, the more we deny that realty, the greater becomes the doubt as to the integrity of the message. Those who have supported the Senior over the years are fading away and the next generation needs to hear the message in their context, by their contemporaries.
… so methinks.
I’m saddened by this news, because I always felt I got so much more out of Robert A. Schuller’s sermons than out of Robert H. Schuller’s message. So often I’ve felt that Robert H. is bragging about his accomplishments and associations, “Look at all I’ve done, look at all the famous people I know.” I for one really don’t care who you know or have met, I tune in to hear the gospel With that said, I have to also say I feel that Mrs. Schuller’s re-writing so many of the beautiful hymns shows a level of arrogance that is quite bothersome.
Robert A. Schuller really did preach the gospel, and that is one thing I have really enjoyed about him. I will keep them all in my prayers that they will be able to work through their differences.
Maybe Robert Sr. didn’t like Robert Jr. dressing in regular business clothes and standing closer to the congregation, helping him relate better to them. Maybe Robert Sr. didn’t like Robert Jr. not dropping names left and right.
Mayve Robert Sr. didn’t like Robert Jr. not giving excessive, insincere praise to everyone appearing on the program. (”…so and so is probably the greatest living…”).
And maybe Robert Sr. didn’t like Robert Jr. getting all the attention that he used to get.
It was shameful in today’s show how Robert Sr. didn’t even acknowledge his son’s existence.
I love both Dr. Schullers. They feel like part of my family.
In my 75ty year, I have found a spiritual path apart from any particular church. Years ago a born again Christian, I no longer find any one religion that speaks only to my heart. God is Love….Dr. Schuller Senior founded an amazing ministry based on love and faith and the Power of Positive thinking which is God’s Power….the Power of Love….
I am a Canadian retired in Mexico and watch the Hour of Power every Sunday to sing along and to hear the wonderful visiting speakers who are a testimony to the power of love. The doctors Schuller were wonderful role models for those of us who know that it isn’t any one person or any one thing that brings a loving powerful successful and inspirational life….it is each of us and ALL of us….
I have faiith that these two beautiful and committed men will find a way back to each other’s loving arms.
I admit to having been concerned about the telecast losing many folks like me who for years have recognized Christ as a masterful teacher who taught usl that we are ALL children of God and who modelled the Christ consciousness in all of us.
When travelling through Asia and asked if I were Christian, I would say, “Inclusively but not exclusively”
My mother and grandparents were evangelists and I was saddened by their judgement on all non Christians. I respected their beliefs though in the end and realized that they were just using different words than I was….be it Buddha or Allah or Christ or God or Love or the Holy Spirit or Nature or the Lord…whatever that wonderful mystery of the Omnipotent is that we have within us AL of us….we are all blessed…..
I KNOW you will find your way to your hearts dear Roberts and I bless you both for your passionate faith….You are a wonderful team and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your missions…
Let there by light on your darkness.
Amen
With love, Annie xxx ooo
Each family has troubled times. This, too will pass. While living overseas with the US Gov’t we have relied on Hour of Power for our church needs since 1982 and praise Dr. Robert H. Schuller for providing us with our spirital needs. When Dr. Robert A. Schuller was named Senior Pastor we were pleased but were greatly upset when he removed the robe for a suit, and announced his son was in training. Well, like Dr. Robert H. said recently – it is not the Kingdom of Schullers. Lets stand behind Crystal Cathedral, back Dr. Robert H.’s plan, and go forward supporting the church and the good it provides everyone. It is not always the messenger, but the message that meets our needs. Thanks for reading!
Please do all you can to reconcile! The body of Christ is watching and doesn’t need two visible leaders in conflict. I pray God will reveal the root of the tension and that it can be resolved so that HIS Kingdom can come and HIS will be done through you both and this ministry. My prayers are with you – you both have blessed me.
My wife and I are concerned about what has happened between Robert A. and Robert H. We live in Illinois, and are a part of the second generation watching the hour of power. Please come forth publically and explain the “rift” that has occurred. Not knowing leads to speculation. With Faith, Hope, and Love this situation should be resolved as part of God’s will. We are praying for both Robert’s and the Crystal Cathedral ministry, it does minister. Actions speak louder than words. . . . . . .
i am devastated to hear the news,
i only pray that robert jr , and donna start their own church , who would ever think such a close knit family would break up like this?
bless them all and bring them back as a family
I really miss Dr. Robert A. I could relate more to his sermons, he was very much a people person, I could understand the Bible much better when he preached. So sorry not hear him on Sunday mornings. The elder Dr. Schueller should really reconsider, he has lost a great predecessor.
If there had to be a split, I am glad that the Robert H. (Sr.) message survived. This ministry was started on “Positve Christianity”. Robert Jr. forgot the “positive” portion of the message. May they both be blessed, but I an looking forward to the continuation of the New, Old message. Go Robert Sr.!
Unacceptable! Robert A. must be forgiven (/) and returned. I believe he is the new and greater John the Baptist . Read the scriptures. He is expected in these times.. LMH
Unacceptable.
I have always loved Robert A. and the service with Evil Kneivel will stand out forever in my mind and heart. How will we ever find out where we might again be edified by his great sermons.? Robert Sr. is all show…when listening to him…take a pencil and keep a count of how many times he uses personal pronouns…it’s amazing. We want more of Jesus, less of R.H.S.
I have always loved Robert A. the service with Evil
Kneivel will forever stand out in my heart and mind.
We are extremely disappointed with the current circumstances. We had not watched Schuller Sr for years since his Norman V Peale messages. When Robert Jr began speaking he brought scripture into each message with application for daily living. (the bible therefore became alive) This world is in crisis and we need more messages based on scripture. It’s time for Robert Sr. to step aside. We will NEVER support nor watch Hour of Power again!
I stopped contributing to the Crystal Cathedral, and watching it, when Robert Anthony took over most of the preaching. I felt like he was simply enthralled with his own voice. I have met his father more than once and have taken several classes from the Institute. I felt that he was a sincere and loving person. To me, Robert A sounds just like all the phoney Jim Bakers and Pat Robertsons and John Hagys. As far as I am concerned there is the same tone in his voice.
SO SORRY TO HEAR OF THE PROBLEM. ROBERT A.
IS A MAN OF GOD WITH A HEART FOR PEOPLE.
ROBERT H. SHOULD STEP ASIDE & LET GOD HAVE HIS WAY. IF HE CONTINUES TO INTERFEAR GOD WILL REMOVE HIM.
HE HAS TOO BIG AN EGO & IS TOO MUCH OF A SHOWMAN. GOD NEEDS HUMBLE MEN & WOMEN
NOT JUST POSITIVE THINKERS.
MAY GOD BE WITH YOU BOTH.
I CAN NOT SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY ANYMORE
UNTIL ROBERT H. STEPS ASIDE
Dr. Schuler Sr. is the better speaker and is more reverent. Dr. Schuler Jr. belabors his “stories” and talks down to the congregation. Donna has no place in the service. Robert Jr. and Donna seem insincere with their “deliveries” and treat the congregation as though they are not smart enough to grasp their sermons. I am happy Dr. Schuler Sr. is speaking again because he offers depth, hope, positive thinking, and frankly CLASS to the ministry. Robert Jr. and Donna add no class or depth or dignity and remind me of TV evangelists. Thank you Dr. Schuler Sr. for saving the ministry and coming back to the pulpit.
II am so sorry and upset to find that Robert
a and Robert H. Schuller have parted their ways. I personally thought it a blessing to have Robert A. . I admire both and looked forward to my Sundays with them. I personally felt they gave me the hope and strength to get me through each day. I have been watching the crystall cathedrall for several years noe and it has changed my life in many ways, such as going through cancer and the strong faith I would make it through ,wich I did and now I need the strenght of my church as a whole, with both Robert H. and Robert A and Donna to be there on Sunday Mornings, as I now have Alzheimers and their message gives me strenght and hope and faith each day. Please reconsider and become our family of the church again. Thank yoy and bless you. If part of my spelling is not right forgive me as this is one of many changes this disease brings on. I am 63 years old, and I need my church back as a family.
Please bring our church family back again We need both Robert H and Robert A . Please work this out and reconcider. Amen
Whatever anyone may think about either of these men, Satan is surely having his way with this ministry, causing divisiveness and bringing recriminations even through the comments on this article.
All of us who have had any positive connections through this ministry, who have been introduced to Christ and grown in our faith as a result, must be praying against the evil that Satan has wrought. Let not one little one stumble because of it.
It’s a matter of eternal life and death. Please pray.
This is a sad story, and I feel for the congregation of the Crystal Cathedral and the Hour of Power’s many loyal viewers.
My 84-year-old father used to happily watch the “Crystal Cathedral” service on television when he couldn’t get out to his local church, and I would watch with him. We particularly appreciated that the Hour of Power was a voice of positive Christianity.
Recently it had become apparent that my father’s contemporary, the senior Schuller, had trouble keeping within time restrictions needed for a telecast, and keeping focussed on a message. The difference in him was very obvious when the Hour of Power broadcast one of his old sermons. While we valued the father’s contributions to the service, it was his son whose message we listened for.
Now, with a different preacher every week, there is too much inconsistency from week to week…. and the father’s contributions have become jarring, especially when he emphasizes himself as the founder and leader of that church. On today’s telecast, Robert H. Schuller announced that the revenues of “America’s television church to the world” are down 12%, and urged viewers to contribute. I don’t think this is just because of the economic downturn.
I wish all the best for Robert A. Schuller and his family, but, with respect, perhaps it would be best for the Crystal Cathedral congregation and the Hour of Power viewers to encourage a transition to a different pastor who isn’t a member of the Schuller family.
I am deeply saddened to know that Robert A. will
no longer be preaching on the Hour of Power. I
enjoyed his sermons so much. He did more bible
scripture than his Dad & I always enjoyed how he
had family members on at different times. His Dad
always puts too much drama in his talks & sermons.
Please bring back the family to Hour of Power. This
breaks my heart to learn of this split
I was sadden to hear of the dispute of Robert H. and re A. Schullerr. I feel for the family especially for the Mrs. Robert Schullerr Sr. who is in the middle. This happens in churches where the Pastor has too much control. I remember a few years back when the late W.A. Criswell First Baptist Dallas would not give up his empire. Robert H. must remember his role should be a servant leader not a dictator. Robert A there are good churches who would welcome you into their midst. God is still in control. Even if you and your dad reconcile and I pray you will, it will never be right until your 82 year old father steps down and either finds a small church he can preach at and then you be the Senior Pastor that you were called there to be. If not i pray Thanks Robert A for being so kind and meeting us regular guest in the Welcome Center. All the times I visted before something Robert H. Never would do.
Robert H. was a man for his time. . . a man with foresight and a vision. Robert A. is a man for his time. . . a man with foresight to see the needs for his ministry are no less important, only different from the needs of his fathers ministry in his time. I find it sad that the transition between the past and the present has to be turbulent. It seems Robert H. needs to review some of his own sermons from the past. Where’s the forgiveness he talked about in past sermons? Where is the compromise? Where is the unconditional love? Did he forget faith in Jesus Christ unites rather than divides? The old devil must be laughing. So sad.
We are saddened that Robert jr. will no longer be at Chrystal Cathedral. We have watched since the begining and have felt Robert Jr. was bringing the church into the new century. We have sons in the ministry and have had to realize God is doing a new thing and we can step aside and support our sons with every ounce of strength we have. They are touching those we “older” folks could not. It is very hard for some people to let go of the power of the reins they have held. I believe this will be a down fall of a great minisry and church. Pride comes before the fall. Someone had better ‘pray though” on this one and not give the devil victory. Right now the only one who looks good in the situation is young Schuler. My prayers for reconciliation.
I am deeply saddened by this event. There is no doubt in my mind that “Senior” is acting senior, and God’s plan is being thwarted. It has always bothered me when Robert H would preach, using one of his books as the text. Jr. has been focusing on the scriptures and that has made it into a church rather than a “show!”
With Robert A. at the helm, it seemed that the ministry had at last gone from psychology to spirituality. Jesus is the force behind positive thinking, not ME. “I can do all things thro Christ, who gives me strength”. Robert H. can kiss the ministry good-bye. He can extol all the wonderful things he has done while he watches it disappear. Shameful arrogance & ignorance!! And I too resented all the words changed to familiar hymns. Best wishes to Robert A. and Donna as they minister elsewhere.
I have watched HOUR OF POWER since it started.
This is Very dissapointing. YOU ARE UPSET because YOUR SON is PREACHING OUT OF THE BIBLE ABOUT JESUS??? You Fire him so he can’t keep the minestry going and turn it over to others ! That is crazy ! You should have your brain checked again maybe you have another brain tumor that is changing your personality and keeping you from rational actions !!!!!!!!
Yes I hate to have the words of the Hymns changed.
I think the public lost alot when all the different versions of the Bible came out. Most people at the time could quote a lot of verses out of the KING JAMES VERSION. Now most people can’t quote more then 2 or 3. KJV was beautiful language and I could never see why people thought it would be hard to understand. I think that was part of the Re-Write History movement.
I missed a couple of Sunday broadcasts and could not figure out what had happened to R A Schuller until now having viewed the website. I’m sorry this situation has developed but must say R A brought new meaning to the service and I do agree with many of the above comments made. Not knowing the whole story I just hope and pray this can be resolved. It’s not a good testimony to the world when there is division in the faith.I hope that having visiting speakers in the interum will give the Schullers time to seek Gods guidence and if it be His will R A will be back at the pulpit, or where ever on the platform he chooses to preach from. We need to hear his message from the word of God. All the best, I will be praying for you.
Dr Schuler, Sr:
Sir, you are not ‘walking the walk’…so that all of your past efforts are diminished to just ‘talking the talk’…!
If you and your family can not be functional, professional & progressive in your callings, your world wide listeners will miss out on God’s messages as
they dismiss you from their Sunday mornings.
I have been one of these listeners for the last 30+ years, have brought many to your ministry, and know where of I speak.
As I am nearly your age with 3 children in their forties,
may I suggest that we elders must continue to grow in order to keep current with our times, our children and our country’s needs.
I encourage resolution and pray the solution will find you!
Agape, Nancy
I watch every sunday. I’m a single man and the churches in my area really have nothing for single people. So I’ve been a viewer of the Hour Of Power for years. I am concerned about the future of the hour of power, but just like everything in life, things change but God’s love is always the same. God will come out shining abd I hope that the Schuller family grows through this and get on with God’s will and bless the world like they have for years.
I don’t believe that Elder Shuller is a fake i do however believe that he has strayed from the truth its sad that most churches these days concentrate so much on having more and more members and money but yet they don’t have any concern on if there “members” are being told the steps on getting to heaven.
for what its worth, i have followed the hop since the 70’s…and have been excited to find it many times out of the country. it has been a consistently a little bit of heaven. and has always had a message i could apply to my life.
change is difficult. i was hesitent when sr turned over to jr. but jr proved himself well, by consistently using the word of God as his basis for speaking.he really won my respect, trust and financial backing
i had also gotten very weary of the name dropping, and money comercials. sr put out. is he seeking an infamy legacy?
or a wider audience on his variety show? thats not church, home or familiar anymore.
as i see it divison, comes from frustration…frustration from $$ problems, and the flock will flee…leaving someone holding the bag.
I have been watching the Hour of Power for over 25 years.
The two father and son Schullers should never have come together to teach in the same church because from the start, they had different philosophies on how they wanted to do good on this earth.
Dr. Schuller Sr. was right to fire his son. His church was running very well and money was coming in from various sources because people loved his philosophy.
With the money that was collected over the years, Dr. Schuller Sr. and his wife established numerous programs in order to assist psychological problems to young and old. These programs were very beneficial to many people and they were functioning very well.
Dr. Schuller Sr.’s teachings have been the continuation of Norman Vincent Peale’s psychological philosophy; on numerous occasions, he has been quite clear that his wish was to continue along this vein, that he had no desire to change because, like Nornan Vincent Peale, his words inspired many and this was the basis for his loyal worldwide followers. He and his wife have worked very hard over the past 30+ years to maintain their efforts in helping people.
In comes Dr. Schuller Jr. Despite the fact that he had his own church, he was not successful. Dr. Schuller Sr. wanted to work with his son in order to continue his legacy, but Dr. Schuller Jr. did not respect his father’s wishes; he wanted something different for this church. The collected money was to fund the church’s programs and to pay for the heavy costs of administering the church. Instead, his son was giving away this money to poor people everywhere and this was causing great financial distress to Dr. Schuller Sr. and his wife who had worked so hard to help others through their programs.
Dr. Schuller Sr. said that if his son did not want to continue his legacy and his way of teaching, then the only solution was to ask him to leave, which is the reason for the fallout between them.
Dr. Schuller Jr.’s way of hitting back was to make this a public issue; he removed his frock and preached in a suit, which obviously caused confusion to everyone. He and his wife Donna should have just left quietly to do their own thing. Now, the church is experiencing financial hardships due to his ungracious son’s large ego. The bad economy is not helping, either; people give less because they have less. I hope and pray that all this work will somehow be protected by a higher power; it is much too valuable to disintegrate into nothingness.
I have watched “THE HOUR OF POWER” since August 1977 first in Sydney,Australia and then in Germany until last Sunday.
The son gave a beautiful Sermon “Walking in your own shoes”.
I then went online and could not believe what I read!Robert H. Schuller dismissed his Son from preaching in the Crystal Cathedral.As much as I was inspired in my hour of need(1977)I cannot believe that Robert H.,could be so narrow minded after having given his blessing to his son (2006)I watched his Inauguration with great emotion.There must be more than we are being told about this catastrophy.For the sake of CHRIST as well as the Crystal Cathedral World Community it is essential for Them,Father and Son to reconcile “Practice what you are Preaching”!I only can hope that you find the Solace I found in your uplifting messages of long past misery. I cant believe either of you are enjoying your Feud.Heal your wounds now.It only gets more difficult with time and you Robert H.are as short on time as I am.Don´t let Sun set on your differences! Your very sincere follower in CHRIST,He shows us the way we should LIVE and FORGIVE,Your Son is a good man and still developing,we ALL make mistakes. You told us so.
God will provide the answer and will Bless all of you.
FRAE A TRUE SCOT TAE A GREAT PREACHER
I am only today becoming aware of the “riff” between father and son. I agree with most folks that RAS has been a welcome change to the HOP. I found his messages more meaningful than the egotistical presence put for by RHS. Please folks reconsider what yuu have done and reconcille. You are destroying years of great work. I am a “young senior citizen who has watched the HOP for many years. I have also contributed and well as buying items and books from the “store”. I now will consider whether my money might be better used else where
I am amazed that Robert H. is so shallow and his ego is so large. It seems that the criticism of his behavior is true. I did not want to believe this, but it is true!
I love Robert A.’s preaching style. He uses scripture and he appears to be humble, loving and caring.
I have always supported the ministry financially and prayerfully. I am going to withdraw my financial support and pray that Robert A. will return to his preaching and pastoral duties and that Robert H. retire and ask God for His forgiveness for his huge ego and lack of compassion for the church.
How sad for those of us who faithfully watched The Hour of Power. I pray the church will survive this mess!
Another attack by Satan on a good church and family. As a young boy I watched The Hour of Power many Sunday’s with my mother, I know God is in charge and it will work out, but we just do nut understand these kind of things. I just pray now for the church and the family that they will come together and ask WWJD. We probably will not know what really happened and why, but it does not matter. What matters is another church has been attacked by Satan. I strongly believe when Satan can destroy a marriage or a church he is sitting back and really smiling. These are times when all Christians must stand together with the armor of God and pray our way through these storms of life. God bless the Hour of Power and both the Schuller men.
Family feuds are not uncommon. HOWEVER in the context of
a worldwide ministry someone should have better counsel.
Why destroy something you have worked so hard to build?
GOD cannot be glorified by this nonsense, or is it about the
handling of money only. Both ego’s must get out of the way.
Reconcile now so Satan can be taken out of this equation.
PLEASE get back to ministry, your wonderful music began
our sunday mornings and set the tone for our worship for
the week.
FOR the sake of GOD’S kingdom don’t let this continue.
Lead or get out of the way
I always enjoyed visiting the Cathedral. This past summer before I knew of their troubles I visited the grounds. And I felt as if the Spirit of God had been drained from that place. I didn’t realize that Dr. Robert H. was like a pope and had the single power of discharging the Sr. Pastor. I thought that could only be done by the church body itself. I am afraid that the Hour of Power has lost it. IT IS VERY SAD. Most of us believe we will stand before a judgement seat in that day when Jesus comes again. Robert H. you will have to explain yourself … why not do it now!
I also missed a few weeks of broadcasting, so I wasn’t aware of this situation untill now. Ofcourse it’s shocking that a ministry like this falls apart, but who are we to judge who is right and who is wrong. Let us all just pray for the Schuller family, that they will receive God’s wisdom and strength in everything. I was shocked to read some of the messages that were posted on this website. All the verdicts and judgements. Ofcourse it’s true that the style of the Gospel of one of the pastors suits you better than the other one, but let us just reflect on what Jesus would say in this situation instead of letting our human thoughts run free…
So people, let us pray for the Schullers and hope that they will seek God, so that He can tell them what to do!
God bless the Schuller family!!
I have been a member of the TV ministry since the 1980’s, a sparrow club member. I always tuned in because of the message.
I realize we are not hearing all the details of the rift, and that is unfortunate because everyone seems to be speculating theory and causes for the break.
The church was founded on a message of positive thinking, and if Robert A wanted to lead a ministry in a different direction, then he should not have taken the reins, and he should have found his own church.
I don’t want to criticize Robert H, as it was his ministry that grabbed me, and I naturally followed suit with Robert A; however, Robert A disrobed and I found him to be just like many other tv ministers…..Actually, I stopped watching for a while, but tuned in today to see someone other than a Schuler. I guess that is the end for me. The new minister would have to be pretty special to keep me watching, and since that will not occur for about another year, this is one Schuler follower who will not be following.
I highly doubt Robert H saw this coming when he handed over the medal.
I have been an Eagle Club Member since 1985.
I sat in my living room as I had every Sunday for the past 23 years and wondered what happened to Robert A – whom I related with his sermons. Then I checked the WEB. Robert H had been an inspiration in his years of service however Robert A touches people where society is now -
I find that I want to grow to know one person, their style, their interpretations, their views on life. I don’t need to be thrown into a Jumble of 52 different speakers just so an elderly leader can strive to keep the legacy and recognition of self continuing.
I am disappointed and will not be backing this program as this date until Robert A is back.
What a Sad Story.
How sad for everyone! People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones????
My wife and I have contributed to the Hour of Power for quite some time. We stopped contributing after repeated requests for transparency in the financial statements of the Hour of Power.
We contribute to many charitable and spiritual organizations but only after checking them out on relevant websites and other sources of financial disclosure. We have never understood why the Crystal Cathedral refuses to disclose its financial affairs in the public domain.
The current controversy between father and son reinforces our feeling that there is something wierd going on behind the scenes that the Schulers don’t want to disclose. The current rotation of “guest speakers” really doesn’t fill the bill for what we used to know as the Hour of Power.
We see this as a downward spiral of a ministry in trouble.
I agree with most of the messages previously written regarding egos, pomposity and hymns’ lyrics being rewritten. Robert A preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ, something we rarely heard in his Dad’s ministry. There is quite enough of the Humanism Gospel being preached without having to hear it on a Sunday morning from a respected pulpit. It absolutely galls me to hear Robert H refer to his services as a “show”! There aren’t enough words to express the sadness I feel over this situation. I pray for Robert A. and Donna and know that God will see them though this ordeal. I SHOULD also pray for Robert H because he is so far off base in his thinking and appears to love all of the honors and platitudes for himself – rather than giving the glory to God. How sad!
I looked forward to The Hour of Power every week and joined the church and paid my tithe to it. I could not understand why my pastor wasn’t there the last few weeks and then I heard about the riff. I am heartbroken that this happened. In my opinion Robert A. was ordained the Head Pastor and should have all the rights and privileges the past Head Pastor had for 40 years. The direction of the church should rest in the hands of it’s present Head Pastor. God was doing a new thing for today. When our religious leaders can’t work things out, what chance do we have? I am removing my support from this ministry and will support a local church. I will continue to pray for all involved.
I have been blessed by this ministry both before and after Robert A was placed as senior pastor. I expected change with a new pastor and grew to appreciate them. I especially appreciated Robert A’s scriptural based sermons and the involvement of Donna. A ministry is always a family affair and it’s time that we all realized that a wife is part of the ministry whether she is up front or not and to see Donna added honesty to the ministry in my opinion.
I am saddened by the firing of Robert A and am not sure I can continue to financially support this program. A church needs a pastor that the congregation can relate to and an interesting speaker each week is a show but not a church.
The information in the story is INCORRECT. Robert H. Schuller DID NOT fire his son, Robert A. Schuller, from the Hour of Power. Robert A. was removed by the members of the Office of President. The Office of President consists of three people, two of whom are in-laws of Robert A. The Hour of Power, like most TV ministries, has been steadily losing income for the last 5 or more years. Robert A. was okay with that, and wanted to shift getting the message out via internet, ipod, streaming video, etc. But his inlaws wanted to stay on TV, and blamed him for the decline in revenue. In short, Robert A wanted to change with the times, and his inlaws wanted to keep their security.
Robert A. stayed on as Senior Pastor of the church, but recently left that position on his own.
It’s a real blessing to have a son who follows the steps of the Lord and the steps of the Ministry. This family received this blessing coming from God. Saint Francis of Assis got in trouble with his father because he loved so much the poor that he started helping them with what was going to be his inheritance. Money was not his focus because the love that he had was given by the Holy Spirit. Both Schullers have loved the Church, we know that. One was used by God to built it, the other one to receive it to preach the word. Both have done their work with the goal to please God our Lord. Not one of them deserves insults, they are not in the Calvary to be crucified by us, who came to receive blessings, even if we have given or not given financial help. I also have my preference, but please don’t forget ‘ to love one another ‘, instead of putting father and son against each other.
“If you judge others
you will have no time to love them.”
–Mother Teresa
I heard about this awhile ago, but today I decided to look up what I heard and read about it. I watch each Sunday whether I go to church or not becuase of how the spirit fills me from this service. I’ve been to the CC numerous times when I visit LA and find that when I am there I am truly filled and feel the Holy Spirit within me. With this split I am still watching, however I am hesitant to tithe as an Eagle member until I know what is true about Robert A. abusing money. When you let us know, then I will determine whether I want to tithe to CC again. I just want to make sure the money I give goes to the church and their needs, not one person’s needs. That is my only concern. I do enjoy both pastors teachings and I will miss Robert A. and his family. The special guests inspire me and the music is awesome and I still feel this way. Pray for their family.
“The senior Schuller is said to be heavier on psychological reference and lighter on scriptural reference. The younger Schuller emphasizes scripture as a ‘primary teaching’ that often veers from Christian to secular.”
Meg, I’m a bit confused with your wording here. Scripture can not veer from Christian to secular because scripture is never secular, it IS Christian (Christ-like). In other words, God is not carnal nor secular so His scriptures would not be as well. It sounds like the senior Schuller seems to be the one veering from Christian to secular not the younger.
It’s very clear that Robert Sr. has had, and continues to have the vision, the heart and the spirit that has lead this ministry to the greatest in the world.
God’s commandment is that we LOVE… beyond all else LOVE, and this is what has been the anchor for the success of this ministry.
To change that to the “few” that believe it is “their interpretation of the bible” that matters and nothing els, is narrow minded and the exact thing that has so narrowed the success of many churches.
God lives, moves and has it’s being in and through us – the bible is not literal any more than the stopry of santa clause is… it’s a guide to which manay choose to live life by.
So – Instead of assuming to know what the lessons of the bible were meant to teach… live you life as Jesus lived his – this is the lesson!
Non-judgement, compassion, love, hope, truth, encouragement, sharing and kindness!
Was there an announcement made during a service? I must have missed it. Am I satisfied with their PR explanation? I don’t think so. However, I totally agree that God is in the driver’s seat on this one and there is nothing to worry about. We will continue to pray for this ministry and to send our annual contribution and may God have mercy on this divided family.
I am heartbroken. I feel betrayed. Please do whatever you need to do to reconcile your differences and bring back Robert A. I am afraid that if you do not do this – the ministry will fail and no longer be available to us.
What a blunder. What a shame. What a total lack of insight into the needs of the congregation.
I was so shocked today to find out that there has been a problem between father and son. I wondered where Robert A. was. I learned a lot from both Robert H. & Robert A. When staying in NYC, my church away from home was Marble Collegiate Church. Dr. Peale’s sermons were wonderful. Then, through my mother, I got interested in the Hour of Power. When I don’t attend my own church, I watch the Hour of Power. I enjoyed seeing and hearing your guests speak and how they struggled and with God’s help made a success of their lives. I pray that you both will resolve your problems. I am up in years and my thinking is not the same as the younger ones but I do know we can learn and help one another. People look to you both for help and guidance. If you two are confused and cannot work out your differences, who do we look up to to help us through tough times. I know you both are just as human a being as I am but perhaps it is time to practice what you preach, turn the other check and forgive and work together. You can learn so much from one another. You are both in my prayers for a quick reconciliation. At this Christmas time, think of all the wonderful things you both have accomplished and start the New Year off with Peace and Love.
My husband and I have been curious where Robert A. Schuller was when we tuned into the Hour of Power lately. I am very sad about this difference between father and son. Although, I must say we have been very disappointed when we have tuned in the last few months. The Hour of Power seemed to be going toward the Evangelical type of service. With Robert A. Schuller wearing a suit and having his wife a part of the service. It was a complete turn off for us. We have actually stopped watching most of the time.
We were turned on to the Hour of Power and Dr. Schuller’s positive Christianity through the Amway Corporation. I believe the psychological aspect of Dr. Schuller’s service is vital to the survival of the church. It touched so many that might have never listened to a Christian Church Service.
I do hope for the sake of family they unite and resolve their differences. Life is short and can be taken from us in an instant. Dr. Schuller is getting up in years and there will be great regret from young Dr. Schuller if something happens to his father and there is discord. It will be to late and he will regret it for life.
My hope is for Love and Peace in the New Year. This must be very difficult on Mrs. Schuller as well. We will pray for all of you.
Where will Robert A . and Donna be starting their ministry,as where ever that is ,so shall our prayers and support go also. Robert A . was I have always felt ,more interested in following the true scripture of \”THE BIBLE\” and he offered more often the plan of salvation as a path for us to follow than did Robert H.
You see GOD is more interested in a persons condition of their soul ,than a glass trophy, and Robert A. knew this and was not blinded by the shiny glass and money.
The controversy in this ministry is very unsettling to me. I stopped going to local churches years ago because the ministers were constantly preaching hate against one group or another, never any love for those who are different. The congregations were always putting down other segments of humanity. The message from others was something was wrong with our government and we needed to take action regardless of IRS rules. I NEVER found this to be the case at the Crystal Cathedral. Every sermon was always uplifting and made you feel good toward all mankind.
During this recession every single person, worldwide, needs to feel secure about their faith and their church to hold their families together in the hope for a better world tomorrow. Let us pray that God will help the two Roberts find a way to lead His church.
Let us remember…
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night comes, when no man can work.
It is with a bit of sadness (actually a lot) that I write this post today.
It is re: ‘The Hour of Power’. I had a ‘funny’ feeling that ’something’ was just not ‘right’ or computing in my heart. ie I had not seen Robert A. Schuller (Jr) on the Hour of Power, for several weeks. I thought, perhaps he is serving as a wonderful Missionary in an Outreach Program, or spending time with family, taking a well deserved vacation, or just taking a sebatical. Then I Googled ‘The Crystal Cathedral’; and alas: “Robert H. Schuller fires son, Robert A.Schuller”…… OOOPS?.
I am really grateful for the Vision Channel; and for the last couple of years; I have been tuning into the Sunday T.V. broadcasts of ‘Hour of Power’ (with both Schullers), ‘Enjoying Everyday Life’ (Joyce Meyer), and ‘Living Truth’ (Charles Price).
I can appreciate that both Schullers have their own uniqueness as two differently created human beings; and their own style of sharing the message. That is only natural! As a recent Christian (thanks to Alan, who witnessed to me in 2002, when we met); I have since then, been uplifted by both Schullers. Robert H. Schuller (Snr) provides positive encouragement and also welcomes many wonderful guests, to share their story; and how they genuinely accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts. I think that is great; very credible witnesses, endorsing Him! Robert A, Schuller (Jr) was also upbeat; and I felt that he became ‘better and better’ with each teaching of the message! In fact, I looked forward to hearing the younger Pastor share his teachings as well. He referred to the Bible! Whether you like it or not, the Bible does NOT lie. It IS TRUTH of then, now, and in things to come; and the Bible IS relevant for each and every day! Many wonderful wonderful stories!
From the bottom of my heart, I Pray that both Schullers work it out between them; and that FORGIVENESS (a message they both encourage) happens; thus a Reconciliation! I would like to see Robert A. Schuller ‘re -instated’ in the Crystal Cathedral for many reasons; however, perhaps God has chosen another purpose for him. ie “When one door closes, another door opens”.
I was not able to enjoy ‘Hour of Prayer’ in its entireity today; in fact, I chose not to watch it!. All I can say is that I wish both men well; and yet something is ‘missing’ now from the Crystal Cathedral, methinks. Both men have their strengths; and each have their own appeal. Nevertheless, I would like to see Pastor Robert A. Schuller continue with whatever it is that God has placed before him; and I would like to keep abreast of his ‘Walk in Christ’.
I am saddened about the differences of Dr. Robert Schuller Sr. and Jr. I have watched Dr.A.H. Schuller for a long time and have derived great comfort and renewed hope and spirit. It took some time for me to accept Dr. Schuller Jr. but felt his speaking manner was improving . I do not feel Donna Schuller was an asset to the reading of the scripture, no real passion showed in her voice. My real concern is for both men. Dr. Schuller looks stressed and tired and I’m sure this difference has created severe stress emotinally and physically. I do pray this father and son can come to an agreement and save the ministry that Dr. Schuller Sr. has created with such passion and faith. I do feel Dr. Schuller Jr. can carry the Crystal Cathedral into this new century and time we are all faced with. May GOD Bless you your family and ministry. Elizabeth
Hi! I shared some thoughts yesterday morning, December 28th; and I saw that the comments were ’slated for later in the day for 2:14 pm? Also, it says: ‘your comment is awaiting moderation’. Do not know what that means. Am surprised?.
Also, I genuinely hope both Schullers can resolve their issues; so that their 2009 will be a better year for them.
God Bless.
I am sadden to hear of the conflict between father and son, Both men are Godly men and need our prayers and support. Let’s forget all the gossip and hold them up in prayer. They are Gods servants and His will and only His will , will be done. God Bless this ministry and both men in 2009. To God be the Glory!
I have to agreed with every sentiment and word in “Gina’ from Dec. 28th’s message. It was on my “bucket list” to get to the Crystal Cathedral before Dr. Robert H. Schuller leaves either this ministry or us. I’ve admired this family so much for offering so many people so many perspectives yet preaching one main message: God is the way and the truth. I pray this family can make ammends, not only for their many followers, but especially for their own relationship. Something is missing at the Crystal Cathedral and it is obvious. having the “guest speakers” doing the homilies is definitely not the answer. Life is too short to fight with family. I’ll keep both of these men and this family in my prayers.
I was truly disappointed to learn that the elder pastor fired his son as sebior pastor.
I agree with those who think the son preaches a better
scriptual message.
I think it is a shame for this to have happened. It will certainly influence my giving to support this ministry.
The music, for the most part, has always been a blessing.
Sincerely,
Charles Wesley Braun
I am saddened by this “split” but not surprised. I have sometimes questioned in my mind what sort of “gospel” R H was preaching because I found it difficult to reconcile with Scripture. There is too much of the “showman” with R H – it is the Lord who should be honoured nota mere man no matter how many prople he knows. R A will be blessed of the Lord if he continues to proclaim the true word, the Biblical word. We need more “evangelical” preachers and by that I mean men and women who proclaim the etranl, unchanging Word of God – not the passing fads and fancies of men. Most of the “ologies” that are man made have their origin in Satan not the Bible.
Robert Senior gives me the creeps. I recently watched the episode where Alonzo Mourning was a guest on the show which was good.
Then when this guy preached he gave me the creeps!
He’s to ‘Theological’ and does not mention Jesus!
My favourite preachers are T.D Jakes and Jentezen Franklin an John Bevere, Joyce Meyer…These are the people that need MORE airtime on NZ Christian channels.
That old man on Hour of Power gives me the creeps and his messages are all wishy washy! Lets get back to the foundations of the gospel and preach Repentence & Salvation…Jesus is near!
I just read through the many comments and I watched today. But a terrible change from when my husband and I first watched back in the 70’s. We were Eagle supporters for many years, but after the building of the Crystal Cathedral and the changing of the Christmas program to an extravagance we stopped our support. The original books of the elder pastor were very helpful, but we stopped reading them when they changed and the purpose became a glorification of the elder. I wish young Dr. Schuller God’s Blessing and hope the many persons that have been helped over the years will continue. But the program is not what it was many years ago. I only watched today because I wanted to see for myself the changes. When the program became a temple to the elder it was no longer somethng I could support.
I just found out that Dr. Shuller Jr. is not working in the hour of power. Every Sunday for the last ten or more years I see it, is part of my Sunday ritual. First I thought Jr. was sick, then I figured that Jr. had stated his own Ministry. I just can’t belied Sr. told Jr. to leave the Crystal Cathedral. They both are different, they are from different time and I like them both. It is said that everything happens for a reason.
God says to be patient, the best is still to come. I love this ministry, it have help me in my worst time, both Father and Son in their own way are the best. May God Bless them. I believe in both Father & Son. God loves you both & so do I…
I have stopped watching Hour of Power since Robert Jr. is not on. I just found out why. I really enjoyed his sermons and used his points in my sunday school class. Robert Jr. was refreshing part of the Crystal Cathedral. He will be missed. I have already stopper watching. I pray that he will continue doing Gods will.
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Robert Anthony was “My Minister”, I had watched Hour of Power on and off for several years, but along with many others, I was spiritually edified and moved to tithing, as I watched Robert A. grow into an excellent shepherd of the flock. One thing about the Crystal Cathedral had always nagged at me — the fact that so much money and effort was going into bricks and mortar. If there is a real financial problem, I believe that the board who relieved Robert A. should look back at their own actions over the years.
My experience was very much like that of others described above. After missing Robert A. for several weeks, I finally called the counselor who had been assigned to me. She never answered her calls. I left messages for her. None was answered. I had been abandoned, so to speak. Then I went to the internet and there it all was –spelled out in plain English, with a lofty-seeming but phony-sounding explanation. I wept on and off for three days.
I have sent no more contributions during the past four months. If the church is in hot water, I think that board has lighted the pilot light. It is suggested that they reinstate Robert A. (if he’ll consider it) and tighten the belt somewhere else. It CAN happen. Ask any homemaker who has to rein in on the expenses in “thin” times. That huge physical plant is wonderful, but expensive. However, I’m sure there are budget items that can be cut before they start cutting the broadcast services that brought the Cathedral to world prominence.
One of the internet articles that I read stated that Robert A. was a “formidable fund raiser”. If that’s true, then the board has made a class one error in judgment.
Robert A. brought a warm humanity and concern for the flock with his scripture-based messages. Prayer requests – baptisms – invitations to come forward. I felt that something good was always happening. If I were a member of that congregation, I would feel short-changed. They had a winner, and he was forced out.
We wish Robert A. and Donna well, with the same good wishes for Robert H. and Arvella. It is hoped that the family will reunite. I’m sure that Robert A. will find his place in the world, where his passion for sharing the good news will continue to change lives.
I had never watched Hour of Power till one day when I heard his son, Robert A, preach. Not only did I watch faithfully after that but also told many friends and family mombers to watch. After he left, the program is not the same even though great preachers are on. I believe it’s because God had chosen Robert A and then led many of us to watch and even record the programs to watch again. My family would love to see and hear Robert A. again!
Televangelism empire in chaos over family split.
Greetings brothers and sisters. Heal your wounds and return to church that Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago — the Roman Catholic Church. We are waiting for you with open arms. Attend any Mass on Sunday and recognize readings from the Bible in the setting of the Last Supper. Contact the local Catholic church whereever you are located.
Thirty-four years ago God caught my attention through a message by Dr. R.H. Schuler and brought me back to Him. That said, I was increasingly uneasy over the years at his “ear-tickling,” feel-good messages that were devoid of scripture. Five years ago we went to California and made it a point to visit the Crystal Cathedral. The secular nature of the experience was unsettling, and I was alarmed to see a familiar hymn in which “the blood of Jesus” was replaced with some humanistic reference to man/self (how I wish I’d kept that bulletin in order to be more specific).
I had experienced a similar emptiness twenty years ago when I sat through a wedding at a Unitarian Church. Without the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, without the basis of solid scripture we are putting gods of our own making before the God of the Bible. Joel Osteen can fill a stadium-sized sanctuary with congregants eager to hear a positive message that makes no demands, and certainly does not reference negative, unsettling topics such as “h-e-double hockey sticks,” sin, or need for repentance. How lovely to imagine a world in which God knows that we all basically mean well as we make our way down the wide, all-inclusive road to prosperity in perpetuity. How tragic to brush aside the unpleasantness of Christ’s torture, suffering, and death upon the cross, ignoring the prophecy of Isaiah that “He was wounded for OUR transgressions…” and disregarding Christ’s own statement, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. NOONE comes to the Father except through me.” I’m not making this stuff up, people. It’s in the Book that has been ignored in many churches (see Woodrow Kroll’s book on the devastating effects of Bible illiteracy, Taking Back the Good Book) I would encourage R.A. Schuler to continue to pursue God’s leading, to base his ministry on scripture, and to do what is right, knowing that he will be following the Father who is over us all.
After reading the posts here I agree with many points of view – both Pro A. and Pro H. My mother and step father were CC Eagles for many years. However, I always thought that Sr’s wife rewriting the songs to make them generic was arrogant beyond belief. I also did not agree with the lack of real biblical teaching in the messages preached by Sr. and it appeared to be all about him! When the band leader committed suicide in the church building several years ago, that also made my eyebrows twitch.
Following the change in leadership, Jr. did a better job of preaching the true Gospel, but I never really liked his delivery style and like many others have expressed here, he left the image that he was somewhat above those he was preaching to. I also felt that Jr. was trying to copy Joel Osteen by having Donna involved in the service. She always appeared to be uncomfortable with this role.
With that all said, the music (and invited guests) have always been spectacular and the message delivered by Bruce Wilkinson (show #1760) left an imprint on my life which will last forever. I will never forget all those people flocking to the front of the church (including an older gentleman who Bruce referred to as a modern day Caleb).
There is no doubt that countless souls have been saved by TV churches. If a single person is saved for eternity, it makes no difference what I think or feel, the angels rejoice. May our loving God continue to extend His mercy to each of us.
Aparrently HOUR OF POWER is broke and about to be Bankrupt!
Personally, I have stopped watching Hour of Power since Anthony has left. Its time that the father turned over the reins to the next generation and step aside and take his EGO with him.
Preaching the BIBLE and not secular dream phrases will save souls!!
Dr. Robert H. Schuller, Sr.
What in the world are you doing? Your son was following in your footsteps for the future generations of Crystal Cathedral followers to come.
I’m really lost to what you have done to this ministries. My heart goes out to you and your family during these times of division.. Watching your daughter talk during commercial breaks I’ve seen the light go out in her eyes.. She’s also hurting during these trying times.
All your family members from all corners of the world are hurting along with you. We are all Gods children but in different ways. I’m different from my Father and Mother which grew up Amish, my sister , brother and son. We shake our head wondering if we could have done better rasing our children. We watched them grow up to be one of God’s fine children. RHS, Jr. has done just that.
As we all watched our Father grow with age I could see him losing his touch with the present and younger generation and it wasn’t because he was senile or had dementia.. It was because he was getting older. Possibly you have too.
RAS, Jr. was what we needed. I’m 66 yrs young and so is my husband. We were really lifted by RAS, Jr..each Sunday morning. No one is a carbon copy of someone else. Neither was RAS, Jr. of you.
When we first watch RAS, Jr. I thought he was trying to be more like you but within time he was becoming his own person and that was a very good move. We thought that you were very wise in doing this for the good of the church.
In our uncertain world we to do not like change but we can certainly adjust to it. In this trying economy we’re all counting our pennies and still supporting your ministries.
I think it’s about time you Humble yourself and bring your son back into yours and our fellowship. Your guest speakers are good and O.K. but your son was always there for you any given Sunday and your guest were there for RAS, Jr. also.
Possibility thinking. Your book and messages are good but we all need to move on to the 21st century and your son is doing this for future generations.
Amen
Thoughts and Prayers,
Sara Angilello
What a huge confidence trick, it’s all about the money and the more publicity we can get then the more we can milk out of people. Complacency in the US lends itself to its own self destruction, meanwhile there are people such as these two clowns and many more like them who will use religious rhetoric and stop at nothing to line their own pockets, eg George and Tammy Baker, Joyce Meyer, aand dozens more, it is truly sickening.
Praise God for He is Continually forgiven us and Care for us, inspite we were all once Sinners. As “born-again” Christians we need not to judge the Son and Father Schullers, lest we be judged by the Almighty God. Let us allow time to “heal” and may God guide both of them and be inspired and continue God’s Ministry for His “Kingdom” come. WHat do God really cares? If it God’s will to have each of the Schullers be separated, let it be it might end up for the good of His Church. We are all experiencing the Global recession, it is not only the Church Crystal Cathedral sufferring. During Jesus Christs time He preach the Gospel in different places, “under the Sun”, at peoples homes, beside the Ocean/Sea etc. the most important thing is reaching out to people “hungry” to know God and be saved through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. The “harvest is ripe” “few are the laborers”! Majority of us are “spectators” but not continually “doers” of God’s Commandment and have no LOVE in our hearts. As Jesus said, “let us remove our speck of our eyes” first, before we “remove other people’s speck” in their eyes. Brothers and Sisters in Christ let us continue to worship God inspite of all turmoils…continue to do GOOD.To God be the Glory, AMEN!
i would like to know why robert a. schuller shows his face on tv begging viewers to give money to his church during his entire show. look a the cathedral. it is a palace. and his house is a mansion, not to mention his yacht! his daughter christina was cast on the show laguns beach, season 1 and 2, in which she takes the whole gang in her private yacht to catalina island. the show also shows their house. they obviously are very very rich and shouldn’t be taking from middle-class believers, in the name of god. shame on the whole family. people, open your eyes, stop giving your hard-earned money to people who are going to keep it instead of giving to charity like good christians do.
I have been a follower for more than 20 years and have been changed thanks to the ministry of the elder Schuller. I also was inspired by the transition of the church toward scripture by Robert A. as this journey is one of growth and foundation. The foundation of Faith being the message of Scripture. I believe there is a way to achieve balance without adverse action, and pray that Father/Son can mend the rift. Remember, through balance one can achieve anything!
I enjoyed watching Hour a few years back when Dr. Robert H. presented, but gradually stopped watching when the heir apparent Robert A. began to appear more frequently. A major obstacle for the junior was that he came across as a bit more than patronizing individual something he could not overcome given the age and wisdom of his father, never mind the accusations of being “handed” a new title. The compassion of Dr. Robert H. for many viewers was also lacking, at least on television, in Robert A.. Dressing in business attire probably befitted Robert A., as trying to dress up as the elder was a failed experiment. No doubt money and solvency played a major factor in the recent downfall, but I would credit Dr. Robert H. for having attracted millions to his ministry than the more recent years which saw production value suffer and the younger selling items as though he were a car salesman. Best wishes to the Schuller family. I will try to tune into the weekend broadcasts with Dr. Robert H.. I am not surprised that most of the internet savvy posters are supporters of Robert A.. And therein lies part of the problem.
In response to sweety, on February 19th, 2009 at 7:27 pm Said: “i would like to know why robert a. schuller shows his face ….”
Let’s be clear Robert “A” is not on tv anymore.
Two..responding to George re: your evaluation of the Schullers..it has been written that “The primary rift between the father and the son in the Crystal Cathedral Garden Grove, CA, pulpit was about changes the son, Robert Anthony Schuller, wanted to make in terms of transparency and accountability, but were resisted by his father Robert H. Schuller, key board members and ministry heads of the church, says a source knowledgeable about the church’s inner circle.
Therein lies part of the problem, George.
I pray that father and son will come together again. They love each other (may be not so much at the moment!)
I miss on Sundaymornings Anthony.
For me the scriptures are most important! and not so much adoration to all sorts of people. The Lord must be honoured.
I was touched through a service where people came forward for a blessing organized by Anthony.
PASTOR ROBERT H. SCHULLER NEEDS TO FACE THE FACT THAT HE IS NOT “GOD”.
WHAT A TERRIBLE INJUSTICE HE HAS DONE TO GOD, THE CHURCH AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENJOYED THE HOUR OF POWER FOR SO MANY YEARS.
I REALLY MISS WATCHING HOUR OF POWER SINCE ROBERT ANTHONY SCHULLER IS NO LONGER A PART OF THE CRYSTAL CATHEDRAL CHURCH.
“HOW CAN A FATHER DISGRACE HIS OWN SON FOR DOING SO MUCH GOOD FOR PEOPLE?”
I will never watch the show again, I hope the son can see these letters about him, I believed he was spirit filled but that the dad was not. Jesus would not have done this nor would our heavenly father approve of this. I am hoping that TBN takes him off on Saturday nites cause the father is BORING. I think he needs to find the real love of Jesus. Keep up what your doing (dad) and your church will go under. I hope that Robert A can read these and I sense in my spirit that he has the baptism of the holy spirit so hope that Jesus will give you a wonderful church somewhere, trust him this is not the way a father treats his son. may God be with and bless you Robert A.
Dad you need to give it up and retire!!!!!
My husband and I really enjoyed taking in the “Hour”. When we could not make it to our own fellowship, the “Hour” was a great substitute. We saw the change taking place and were actually thrilled to see it happen. If the elder wants to keep the same “Old” people he has then I say don’t change, but if he wants to be relevant he needs to retire and let the younger reach new converts or at least see converts. We as Christians can get fat just sitting in Church not welcoming change. I say, “Lets change, the world is so we Christians have to come up with something else in order to reach those lost souls in the world”. Needless to say, we no longer give to or watch the “Hour”. We are just too disappointed in the ‘Old” guy.
The Hour of Power just is not the same without Robert A.. Junior is a far better man and much more interestubg, we just don’t watch as much as we used to. Father Schuler is failing as a preaacher, its time for him to etire and let Robert take over for him. ButJunior should leave his Donna in with the congration, as to the robes they should be left for special ocassions, only, The suits bring the church closer to the people
How does Robert H say the Lord’s prayer: “…and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us…” or he skips that line
Your pleading for money on Television is sickning It is obvious you should quit. I blame your Board or Trustees, they must be very weak or you just over rule them. Since your Son has been fired or whatever, my interest is lost. Hey Man – preach the Gospel and not what your Catheral is doing. I am 85 years old and have been in business, you have to know when to quit. You have a good back up, but you can’t see it. It is just a matter of time.
You have my reply of the situation — BK
It is always sad when families split, even the more so when that family is in the Lord and more than that, when they are in the Lords work. I can only imagine the hurt they have all suffered, and our love and concern is with the whole family as these breaks can even take generations to heal. It still remains that we are “all ONE in Christ Jesus” and these things hurt the whole of Christs Church, in this case worldwide. It is our hope that reconciliation is made and shown, even if different minitries still grow from these events. Robert H. if you do read this coment, We desparately need the real strong and loving message of our Lord. I also encourage you and your son to reconcile so ( in this very public case) that the world can see that Christs loving principals of christian unity and restoration can infiltrate families, relationships, churches, at all levels of society….. Don’t let the devil win, Satan loves breakdown and separation , and if he could damage or destroy the ministry of H.o.P, he will ” resist the devil and he will flee”, its in the Word, so… send him packing… and Stand for God..for this will SHOW the Gospel of Jesus in practice, to be true and real the strggling people of the world you are trying to reach for Him. May God Bless you in restoration. Andy
Don’t know if it has been mentioned, but I wonder if the old man is becoming senile or having some other age related illness? Dissention between father and son within the church is just a sign of the times .I live in Garden Grove close to the cathedral.I have spoken to the elder Pastor ( Not within the confines of the church.){ But one day while waiting at my doctor’s office.} This was about 23 years ago. He seemed a little astounded how far God had brought him . He spoke of the beginning when he had nothing and how he started with the sermons at a drive-in theatre. And he was so humble and thankful. Seems fame , money and possibly greed has distorted that . He just may be sick of mind, or corrupted in the ways of the world. Pride really does go before a fall. And I think if he does not make peace with his son, then he has failed after all in many ways. Possibly God has different plans for Robert Junior. The cathedral Is too much into the ways of the world now. and it sadly has become too commercial, and more of an accomodation to the likes of Hollywood. Instead of a personal relationship with God , it seems to offer a slice of entertainment and possibility thinking, with very little preaching of the bible.
I’ve only been a member of the Hour Of Power about 6-7 years, however I did visit the campus last May, traveling from So. Fla. to So. Calif., and I must say that I, + my companion were quite impressed by the beautiful place that Dr. & his wife have created over the years. I must wonder if any of you have ever actually visited? ” Too much in the ways of the world ” ?, so be it, ya know, So. Calif. isn’t exactly ancient Rome. Bottom line, this ministry actually caused myself and many many others to open a Bible… What’s so wrong w/ that? Why don’t you all quit w/ all the advise, and do what Christ asked in the 1st place,
WE MISS YOUR PRESENCE ON THE WEEKLY TELECAST.
WE MISS YOUR PRESENCE ON THE WEEKLY TELECAST. PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT YOUR NEW MINISTRY.
The senior Schuller built his ministry to feed the souls and minds of people who were not finding God through the traditional church. Over the decades his special ministry has been beautiful with the love of God shining through. He pointed the way to Christ’s love. People flocked to his ministry because it was personally meaningful and life-saving. He reached people others could not.
New words to the hymns was a refreshing variation – easier to sing and understand than the new steel guitar type.
Both Schuller ministries have touched lives in different ways – I pray for its growth – the young grandson is a dynamic combination of grandfather and dad!
Blessings to all.
After being involved as an organist for 40 years in different churches I have seen many forms of the under cover politics that occur in all religions. The latest, after 15 years with no complaints I was terminated following a Sunday morning service. So in every church there is dirty work going on at the meetings,etc. After almost 3 years I still haven’t been inside any church. However, I usually watched the Hour of Power. I liked Robert A. style more than Robert H. I think as some other letters imply that it is time for Robert H.’s retirement. He has had his day and it is time for him to retire to enjoy his time left and be proud of what he has done.
To the Schullers: Church is not a building. Or a campus. Or a Crystal Cathedral.
To the Schullers’ followers: Tithes, donations and journeys to visit to one man’s religious castle do not make you a person of deep and resonating faith. Your faith does. Look within yourself for what is good, and let that resonate from how you live. Do not help a man build lavish buildings just so he can reside in them and preach down to you. When he asks for your money so he can build buildings to preach in, something is very wrong. No preacher needs a TV audience or a large following. When they begin counting money, buildings and followers, it is no longer about faith and goodness.
I never much listened to junior. He was tooooo secular, and not enough straight-line scriptural. Junior sounded too ‘New Age’ for my taste.. I could tolerate the senior, even though he’s Calvinist (I tend to be a little Ecumenical).
It is with great shame that father and son don’t get on. The programme hasn’t been the same since young Robert left the scene. I’m afraid I don’t get enthused about the programme any more. Come on Robert snr you need to step down and let your son in. You have to let go sometime so why not do it now.
I have been watching Crystal Cathedral for years now and have enjoyed it. I always like to hear the choir – that is wonderful.
Alison
WHY DON’T BOTH OF THEM PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH? FORGIVENESS AND LOVE.
who was the male singer that sang this past sunday.
i would love to know if he has a cd out?
thanks
i thought it was a name like brent phelps, but I can not find it anywhere. his song was lovely and I hope he has more?
same person as above
No man can be more honored than to have his son wanting to follow in his footsteps, so Robert H. stop and think how much your son loves you to want to do that !!!!!!! And without trying to fault Robert H. it is perfectly normal to think you still know more than the ” kid “. But as one in his 80s, I invite the elder Schuller to join me in recognizing that we have had our turn. I, who knows it all, even had to apologize to my son and tell him he is right.
Dr. Schuler, you are much smarter than me, but your
intelligence will still remain after you ” get yourself out of the way.”
All I know is that God loves us all if we believe in Him
and His love surpasses all understanding.
So Dad, give your son a chance and just let him figure it outwithout your constant advice. Let him feel free to
ask for your advice without smothering him with more
than he asked for.
August 1, 2009 I just finished watching the hour of power….what a big let down not to see Robert H or Robert A. Schuller…Robert A. had it all together and
what a great speaker and gentleman….We all have family “tiffs” but something like this between father and son are very uncommon…Please Robert H., make amends with your son and bring him back. Crystal
Cathedral will never be the same without Robert A.
We keep Robert A. in our daily prayers and we send
best wishes to him in whatever he is doing
It is a “Big Mistake” to put out of service to Dr.Schuller son.
He is 54 and his father 85,so the son has more opportunities to be the future Pastor in charge at the Crystal Cathedral.
What I saw on the program many months ago,was that Dr.Schuller got retirement and put in charge of the church to his son.The only explanation, clear as a crystal water is: that
Directors’s board of the church do not want changes or new preaching style,they want the traditional style. Another explanation is obvious differences between father and son(about how to lead the church).Anyway I pray for the church congregation,and enjoy to watch every sunday the different pastors preaching.God bless the Schuller family and Crystal Cathedral congregation every day and forever.
Maybe is not a big mistake,but is a big change at the church.
I pray always for the church.God bless the Crystal Cathedral.
I have been a faithful hour of power watcher here in Europe (the Netherlands). I think Schuller Sr. deserves more credit. If he made this decision he must have had good reasons. We will probably never know what has caused and which are the divergences between him and his son, nor do we need to. All I know is that the sermons of Schuller Sr. and his books have been an inspiration to me and many other people.
In the Hour of Power broadcast in The Netherlands on the morning of July 26th 2009 ( Schuller gave a sermon (in the midst of the turmoil going on in the Schuller family and at the Crystal Cathedral), which I felt was sort of his ‘going away’ speech. The man knows the end of his life will come. So there must be a good reason that this was the sermon he chose to deliver.
Life is a lucky road, with good luck and bad luck. Still God blesses us anyhow. He knows how, when, and where we need it the most. God knows.
So let’s not focus on the Senior versus Junior matter but on this final message of faith.
I have been wondering what happened to the son. I never missed the Hour of Power…powerful messges and suddenly it is all over. The program is NOT the same…Robert Schueller SR was a great speaker, but now he does nothing. When his son took over it was just like the same as the past…wonderful…now that he is gone I don’t care to watch anymore. What happened to the message preached so often…love, forgive. share, etc?????
I pray that Robert Schueller JR. will come back to preach the words of Jesus. He is a wonderful christian and attracts the youth as well. The senior is all about what is has done and does not bring many to the Lord. He is so full of himself and that is not good. May God bring Junior back.. Norma
I have been watching hour of power for years I miss Robert jr it isn’t the same . I make sure that I am up in time to watch this program. Please resolve your differences and let the LORD SPEAK TO YOU . Marge
maybee robert h. shoud listen to his own lektures of humillety and get down on his stif stobern knees and pray for foregiveness for too much pride? or what? or does his words only counts for the rest of us? i see how robert h. has been an inspiration here in danmark of all places and how robert a. has continuet that legasy but has followed the years and agees. why not concider the crystal chatedrals future and bee coorporating on that ??? this is not about you two !!! this is about US!!!!! think of the greater good please. That is something you two always have had in commen. IS THAT ALSO CHANGED OR WHAT ??? i have followed both of you since 1985. I beleaved you have a great part to do with me beeing able to give you a peace of my mind. maybee this is one thing to regret BUT I LOVE YOU for it. robert h. : bee that person you so often has talked about and fix this now !!!!! This is hurting US!!!!! by the way until now, thank uoy for everything GOOD has inspired BOTH OF YOU to deliver to us thrue the years. FIX IT!!!